Apistevist – A Term With Potential

Apistevist

There is a term being utilized by some in the atheist community. Some have even dropped their previous chosen personal adjective (atheist) in favor of this new term. That term is Apistevist.

Coined by a youtuber running a channel called Bionic Dance back in 2010, the term illustrates a person’s lack (or rejection) of faith. It was coined around the same principal as atheism is based. The “a” prefix negates what follows, so an atheist negates a belief in any form of theism. In the same way that atheism has origins in the Greek word “atheos” (without gods), the word apistevist is also sourced from Greek. The Greek terms “pistis” or “pistevo” both describe faith, so as such “Apistevist” describes a lack of faith.

On the surface, it seems like a good and seemingly well reasoned term. But one must remember to specify “religious faith”, or the term becomes illogical.
Most uses of the term (as noted in Google search results) seem to take this into consideration, but some do not. Whether this is out of error or ignorance I am unsure, but I will outline why it matters here.

One may negate a belief in god, ghosts or any number of other mythical or supernatural entities without losing logical credibility. This is obvious and is known by anyone who has embraced reason. But at the same time, no one is COMPLETELY devoid of all blind faith.

Every time you turn on the tap for a drink of water. Every time you open a can of food, or eat out at a restaurant. Life in the modern era is full of scenarios where we all mindlessly roll the dice. This is not necessarily a bad thing either, its just a part of life. A person that is a TRUE apistevist (took the philosophy to heart in all areas of life) could not exist in today’s modern world. One who has absolutely NO blind faith whatsoever, would either be forced into isolation far from consumer civilization, or committed.

I have no issue with the term Apistevist (I can not say the same for Bionic Dance, the youtuber that coined the term however). But I caution how it is utilized and defined in conversation and debate. The key is word is religious.

One who claims to lack (or reject) religious faith, is on perfectly reasonable intellectual ground. One who claims to lack or reject ALL faith, is not only irrational but also fundamentally mistaken.

*NOTE

I realized that I was not entirely clear in my explanation of my argument, so I wrote a supplementary piece HERE clarifying my stance. Further, I also wrote a piece using my argument in the context of Air Travel (a context that seems to encompass my criticisms of the philosophy perfectly).

Thank you for reading.

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15 Responses to Apistevist – A Term With Potential

  1. Martin Matin says:

    Hi.
    I’m sorry to say, I think you’re the one being illogical, making a fallacy of equivocation. You’re confusing faith (the firm assertion of a belief without supporting evidence or despite evidence to the contrary) with tentative probabilistic expectations based on prior occurences and a sound understanding of reality. Contrarily to what you say we don’t “mindlessly roll the dice” (well I know I don’t, and I hope you don’t either), we simply build sound assumptions : when I go to a restaurant, I don’t “have faith” that the food won’t be rotten, I expect it not to be based on all the times I went to a restaurant and it wasn’t (in Bayesian probabilistic terms, given that I’ve had more than a hundred meals in restaurants and none of them were rotten, the prior probability of this one being rotten is literaly less than one percent), as well as an understanding of modern western society where a restaurant serving rotten food wouldn’t stay open for more than a few days, thus probably closing before I could eat there. Hence, NOTHING to do with faith. Same thing with your other examples.

    Faith is jumping off a cliff without checking if you’ve got a working parachute on.
    Sound expectation building is jumping off a cliff only *after* you’ve checked.
    As an apistevist myself, I do reject ALL forms of faith (not just religious faith), meaning I always check for my parachute.
    See the difference ?

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    • mbman says:

      I can open a thousand cans of tuna, and not have any issues. I can drink thousands of liters of water and not have a problem.

      Probability and everything else aside, you are ALWAYS taking a chance.

      There may be a big difference between giving yourself to a fully invisible deity and drinking a glass of water, but over all, the concept is still the same.

      Just as do not know (and likely will not ever know) if there is a god/deity that exists, I can not ever know for sure if that can of tuna or that glass of water is truly “safe”.
      Mankind has probability and such other methods of showing how small the overall risk is. And most of the time, these risks are so small that they are not even worth acknowledging. But none the less, a risk is still a risk.

      Being an apistevist in terms of religious belief is perfectly rational. But no one can go any further then that.

      An apistevist can not COMPLETELY “eliminate” blind faith from their life for the same reason that an atheist can not claim with credibility that there is no god. No has the proof.
      All you have is an educated guess based on past experiences.

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      • Adamantium says:

        Martin Matin is correct, and you’re not understanding him. I think your problem is that you are mistaken as to the definition of “faith”: you seem to think it’s “the lack of complete certainty,” when in fact it is “belief not justified by evidence” (side note: this also means that all faith is, by definition, blind). It is true that it requires faith to be CERTAIN that water will come out of the tap when you turn it on, but nobody thinks that way. We merely believe that water is very very LIKELY to come out, and this belief is supported by the evidence that is our knowledge of the excellent track record of our municipal water system, and therefore not faith-based.

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      • tordg says:

        In essence, much of what is colloquially referred to as faith would be better described by the word trust.

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      • Brian King says:

        Certainty is pretty much, as far as I can tell, a fiction. None of us ever have that. But, going based on the evidence, is not, therefore an act of faith. It might be, if the evidence tells us our assumptions are likely wrong, but if evidence tells us we are likely correct, then it’s not faith, its just doing the best we can. Faith isn’t lack of certainty (in fact, it seems to be certainty in spite of evidence). Faith is belief in spite of justification. If we have evidence to support our beliefs, then it isn’t blind faith. Even if we end up wrong.

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  3. Andrew says:

    “Every time you turn on the tap for a drink of water […] A person that is a TRUE apistevist (took the philosophy to heart in all areas of life) could not exist in today’s modern world. One who has absolutely NO blind faith whatsoever, would either be forced into isolation far from consumer civilization, or committed.”

    You seem to think the only two options are:
    1) Belief (in safety of water, food etc.) based on evidence with 100% certainty
    2) Belief based on blind faith (with no evidence).

    That’s silly. I would have thought it would be obvious that an apistevist would for the most part go by:
    3) Provisional belief based on evidence with a non-perfect degree of certainty.

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  4. I agree on a lot of things in the article, but I also disagree for a big part.

    I definitely share your dislike of Bionic Dance. Her clips are often cool and well thought, but she’s an extremist. You cannot debate with her because she rages like a rabid lion on steroids.

    But the tap and food idea you are bringing up has nothing to do with faith.
    Everybody nowadays is most likely aware that there can be dangerous germs or chemicals in whatever you eat, drink, breath or touch.
    Nobody I know is completely oblivious on all kinds of dangers.

    Does it involve faith if you eat or drink something in order to eat, drink or use it in whatever way it’s meant to be used? No. Not at all.
    We just always wager the amount of necessity and the probability of the dangers. We *HOPE* it will be okay, we *TRUST* it will be okay… but we do not “believe” it will be okay. We do not have “faith” it will be okay.

    We have no other choice and the statistics are very much in our favours. That’s all.

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  5. Kimaris says:

    On “Every time you turn on the tap for a drink of water…,” to the end of your post:

    You indeed made a fallacy of equivocation. As it was already pointed out, faith is belief not supported by evidence, in other words – blind belief. However, when you do the above-mentioned, it is not blind: your decision is rational, justified by inductive logic on the account of collected evidence.

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  6. Hi, I read your three blog posts before answering but not the comments, so sorry if I’m repeating something someone else already wrote.

    Here I will use:
    -trust = confidence based on evidence
    -faith = confidence in spite of lack of evidence
    I know these are not the dictionary definitions, I just think it will be easier to explain myself if I have words with these meanings (plus I’m not a native english speaker and in my language that’s how the literal translations of these words work).

    I think I can define myself a 100% faith-less person (?Apistevist?).
    I’ve not always been so.
    There was a time when I just believed what my parents told me. Or the priest. Or tv.
    Then I grew up, I made experiences and built trust towards a multiplicity of propositions.
    For instance I had lots of experience with acqueduct management being a good provider of safe water. I learned about their methods for detection of poisonings and read statistics about their effectiveness. I also learned not to have faith in the water company. Now when I open the water tap and see a liquid flowing out I evaluate it’s color, smell and taste (lack of) before swallowing it. By this experience plus my trust towards water company I evaluate if water is safe every time.

    I also had experience with airlines being able to fly planes without crashing them more than how cars crash. I read the statistics about flight, and about the systems of checks around air travel. Now when I go through airport security and see pilots boarding the plane, I have a reasonable expectation, based on experience, that the person in uniform is not an impersonator, has been vetted by airline company and had to certify its ability to fly a plane.

    Whenever I encounter a new person I am both distrustful and open. Which means that I act hoping for the best but prepared for the worst. I do not tell my bank data to strangers without vetting them by at least seeing some form of ID or uniform identifying them as people representing companies with which I want to have financial transactions, which is a process of gathering experience and using it to build trust. A skill that I trust since it worked wonderfully for years.

    You may say that by doing so I’m actually having faith in my judgement over single issues: I’ve never traveled on THAT airplane with THAT pilot after all, nor I ever judged the combination of the two. And as predictable as a sunset here’s my reply to that: I know it and I know that this implies a risk of being wrong. I just think that said risk is low enough to gamble my life over it. This means that I have no faith in the pilot’s ability nor the plane’s condition, I just have trust in the safety of my trip because thanks to past experience I extimate the likelyhood of a crash low enough to be ignored when deciding course of action.

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    • mbman says:

      Hi there,

      I appreciate your feedback on these pieces. And I understand your criticism.

      In the past, I obviously dedicated a fair bit of time and mental resources to the word apistevist. Work that has been picked apart by many. Work that I have been, in the past, happy to defend. But not so much lately.

      Not out of admission of inaccuracy. Not really out of contempt (“why be outside the box when no one else can even fathom such a position?!”). Partly out of boredom. But mostly because in the grand scheme of things, the concept of being “Apistevist” has become (at least for me) redundant.

      The last year or 2 has had me going though much thought in terms of many of my stances, and what they mean. And ive “transitioned” mentally to view most as, redundant at best, unnecessary barriers at worst. Basically, it all boils down to me not buying into any dogmas (at least that I know of). I know what my views are of various things. The whole concept of faith, religions, deity’s and such is uninvolved with the human existence, so its not worth worrying about. By this standard, all 3 of these posts and many of my earlier ones, were a waste of time. At least for me.

      Why am I telling you this?

      With recent ones, I would normally just not respond (not having anything new to add). But since you took the time to read all 3 pieces in responding, it seemed only fair to answer.
      Even if its in a sense, a cop out reply.

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  7. //Every time you turn on the tap for a drink of water.//

    You confuse “faith” with reasonable expectation. It is not a matter of faith to expect (yet not know for sure) that when I turn on the water it will come on. In fact, it has happened many times to me.
    I can reasonably expect to have water, but I would never say I have faith (or certain trust) it will happen.

    So that’s why I am an apistevist, a non-believer, a post-theistic thinker—in a process, not a conclusion.

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  8. Karl says:

    Knowledge that water will come out of a tap is based on experience or statistical evidence and therefore not faith.

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